Beta 3: Proposed Ladder Change!

[VernJensen]

Okay, so I have a question. In the screenshot attached, Jack can walk over to the ladder and climb it. Technically, this does not make any sense. The ladder should be

above

jack -- he can't suddenly go from

under

to it to

above

it and start climbing. yet, the current incarnation of the game allows Jack to walk over and climb it.

I propose that Jack should only be able to *get on* a ladder at the same places where he can *get off* the ladder. He can't get off the ladder on the middle ledge in this scenario, and so he shouldn't be able to get on it here, either.

But, this is rather late in the testing process to make such a major change to basic gameplay. So the question is, would this break anything?

It's too late for this to really benefit existing mansions much, but future designer could take advantage of this change to allow ladders to cross areas Jack can walk, without allowing Jack to get on them -- providing for a lot more creativity in building than was possible before. (Jack can, for instance, move from the top of the room to the bottom, whiel passing over a middle section, but he has not access to the middle section, and likewise, while in the middle section, he has no access to the top or bottom areas.)

[VernJensen]

I suppose if I added this, it might make sense to allow ladders to be put in layer 6 too. Since in this case, the ladder should be

in front

of Jack when he's walking in the middle portion. This this adds quite a bit of complication for both the designer, and for me.

For the designer, he'd have to put some of the ladder (the top and bottom parts) in layer 5, so they draw behind Jack as expected, but put the part of the ladder that overlaps the middle part in layer 6, so Jack walks/jumps

behind

it when walking in the middle part. More complicated yes, but possible, and would allow a lot of cool new designs I think.

Aside from that, I have a whole programming complication to support ladders in both layer 5 *and* 6...

[VernJensen]

Here's a screenshot that better demonstrates what I'm talking about. The ladder is in layer 6 in the middle part (and could be for the top part too), and layer 5 for the bottom part.

[Toybox]

It makes sense.

The current behaviour allows for interesting puzzles as well though. Plus, you can prevent Jack from climbing a ladder from the middle (with a hole in the floor).

I don't think a change would greatly impact my own mansions, so you could go either way. Except my ongoing problems with having scenery in front of Jack just kidding, I can live with it!

[Wingy]

I can think of only one place this would mess something up; Leofani Manor Hard, the secret right after the first section -- but I can easily adjust. So, yeah, sounds like a good idea.

Also, on a side note, would it be possible if you could enable zapper beams to have an option (like grey doors) to be off at the start?

[VernJensen]

56686F6678010 wrote: Also, on a side note, would it be possible if you could enable zapper beams to have an option (like grey doors) to be off at the start?

Isn't this possible with the lever's

Action is default room state

checkbox? Or is there something I'm missing here?

[Toybox]

7340574B6F404B56404B250 wrote: [quote author=56686F6678010 link=1274414892/4#4 date=1274439941]Also, on a side note, would it be possible if you could enable zapper beams to have an option (like grey doors) to be off at the start?

Isn't this possible with the lever's

Action is default room state

checkbox? Or is there something I'm missing here?
Yes, if you put a hidden lever somewhere with this option unchecked it works. And maybe with T switches now.

[brell]

I have a question: Will you change this in the OLD MM as well? This situation happens quite a few times in the classic MM custom and included mansions. My suggestion is to leave it as it is in the classic game.

[Wingy]

No. Last time I checked this board was for the sequel beta.

[hawaii]

3424333A3A560 wrote: I have a question:  Will you change this in the OLD MM as well?  This situation happens quite a few times in the classic MM custom and included mansions.  My suggestion is to leave it as it is in the classic game.

I soooooo AGREE with you!