weird JS in room 16299 of FFM

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My girlfriend just discovered a really weird JS in this updated mansion.
In room 16299 there's a grey door at the bottom right. It can be opened WITH A BLUE KEY, meaning there is no way to open the blue door in 16300...

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and one more, in 15100, since she came down the pole in 15101 without a yellow key... there's no way back and no way forward... or?

[frost]

Hi Olle,

man, you and your girlfriend are really some kind of JS finders  

To my apology: this mansion has never been beta tested. It wasn't as common back in those days as it is now.

Ok, let's get to work: I really don't know how it is possible to open a grey door with a key. Well I tried it myself in room 16299 an IT WORKED  :-?
I thougt may be I left a blue door underneath the grey door. I tried that, but then a key wouldn't
do anything.
I really don't know what causes this phenomenon.
May be Freddy knows.

About the JS in room 15100: there is no back and forth without a yellow key.

So I guess it's time for another update.

Please say thanks to you girlfriend from me.


Greetings

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or perhaps you should have it beta tested before doing the updating?

[brell]

frost wrote: Hi Olle,

man, you and your girlfriend are really some kind of JS finders  

May be they should test the mansion

frost wrote: To my apology: this mansion has never been beta tested. It wasn't as common back in those days as it is now.

I don't remember whether Freddy or I uploaded Foggy Forest for the first time (not that it really matters) but custom mansions have always been beta tested since the first MM forums (this is the third one) to my best knowledge. Which means that we thought FF was beta tested.

frost wrote: Ok, let's get to work: I really don't know how it is possible to open a grey door with a key. Well I tried it myself in room 16299 an IT WORKED  :-?
I thougt may be I left a blue door underneath the grey door. I tried that, but then a key wouldn't
do anything.
I really don't know what causes this phenomenon.
May be Freddy knows.

Are you sure this is not the same phenomenon as in Freddy's Whiskey Bar? As you know we have two door sizes due to a different size of the lower door parts. So it is possible to put a larger lower part over a smaller lower part. Then the key that opens the hidden part works on both doors.

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brell wrote:

May be they should test the mansion  

Yeah sure, I'd let her do it since she's playing it anyways Just let me know

[frost]

brell wrote:
I don't remember whether Freddy or I uploaded Foggy Forest for the first time (not that it really matters) but custom mansions have always been beta tested since the first MM forums (this is the third one) to my best knowledge.  Which means that we thought FF was beta tested.

Well, when FFM was released neiher you or Freddy were Admins, so no lack of memory on your side  .
It was released in the first MM forum and as I said it wasn't a must or a rule to beta test mansions then. Some did, some didn't.
Otherwise FFM wouldn't have been released, would it?

But FFM being beta tested or not - I don't think this is the problem here, because in almost every tested mansions players discover JSs or cheep death after it's released, and often more than one.
No offence to beta testers here!

Explanation:
To me it is just amazing that players, after a mansion is around for quite some time (FFM about 2 years) teseted or not, still discover JSs.
It shows to me, that there are so many different ways to play MM.
I mean bumping Jack into a grey door without looking for a lever to open it before (and then opening it with a key) - that is a very inovative way to play MM.
But as we can see there are players who do such things, no matter why, and discover mistakes the designer has made. Good!

If you and Olle think that FFM still has to be beta tested after being around for about two years now, go ahead - I don't mind. Might spare me more than one more update.

brell wrote:
Are you sure this is not the same phenomenon as in Freddy's Whiskey Bar?  As you know we have two door sizes due to a different size of the lower door parts. So it is possible to put a larger lower part over a smaller lower part.  Then the key that opens the hidden part works on both doors.

Actually I didn't know and never cared what Freddy did in Whisky Bar, I just enjoyed playing it  

But thanks for that!
Your hint to Freddys Whisky Bar showed the issue that caused the problem.
When I tried to figure out what causes this phenomenon yesterday, I didn't tried different door sizes.
It seems that I forgot to delete a lower part of a small blue door before I put a large grey door at the same spot. That made it possible for Olles girlfriend to open a grey door with a key.


greetings

[Freddy]

@ frost: Is an update coming? After Olle + gf maybe have a thorough walkthrough?

Btw, no interest of being a volunteer for a Catacombs-section?