MM2 - Brave New World

[brell]

1A2E393838255C0 wrote:

Concerning the missing secrets, my best suggestion is to keep searching. E.g. check the map for gaps when Jack is at the end of TZ2 thus before using any TGV-platform to the finish. That will give me an idea of the current hint-difficulty-degree.
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Found the way into room 17500.  I recalled something from the ultimate maze in MM&M.
But isn't this a bit too hard for an inexperienced player to discover?  Perhaps a hint is needed?

Finished with 14 secrets.

[Freddy]

5343545D5D310 wrote: Found the way into room 17500.  I recalled something from the ultimate maze in MM&M.
But isn't this a bit too hard for an inexperienced player to discover?  Perhaps a hint is needed?

Nothing wrong with your memory! The idea came indeed from that exhausting maze. I thought that the existing of the conveyor belt was enough as a hint (besides the obvious gap in the wall). As you know I try new things as hint. I want players to search for odd things. So what is that belt doing there? Assume that there is a room at the right, where may Jack enter it? At last 'where' is supposed to change in 'how' since a jump from the ghost platform to the conveyor belt is impossible. (Btw, I can't change the 6-tile gap into 5 or less, because then it makes the belt completely senseless.)

I have an idea for something extra (that is not a coin or an other reward).

5343545D5D310 wrote: Finished with 14 secrets.

Two missing. Have you read the sign in the blue area about a secret room? It may be of interest to do that if you didn't yet. I don't know what the other missing secret could be. Therefor I must dive into the builder.

Do you remember the total amount of money at the exit?

[brell]

192D3A3B3B265F0 wrote: [quote author=5343545D5D310 link=1671814205/90#90 date=1678195370]Found the way into room 17500.  I recalled something from the ultimate maze in MM&M.
But isn't this a bit too hard for an inexperienced player to discover?  Perhaps a hint is needed?

Nothing wrong with your memory! The idea came indeed from that exhausting maze. I thought that the existing of the conveyor belt was enough as a hint (besides the obvious gap in the wall). As you know I try new things as hint. I want players to search for odd things. So what is that belt doing there? Assume that there is a room at the right, where may Jack enter it? At last 'where' is supposed to change in 'how' since a jump from the ghost platform to the conveyor belt is impossible. (Btw, I can't change the 6-tile gap into 5 or less, because then it makes the belt completely senseless.)

I have an idea for something extra (that is not a coin or an other reward).
Perhaps - as an afterthought - the belt and the gap is hint enough?

192D3A3B3B265F0 wrote:
[quote author=5343545D5D310 link=1671814205/90#90 date=1678195370]Finished with 14 secrets.

Two missing. Have you read the sign in the blue area about a secret room? It may be of interest to do that if you didn't yet. I don't know what the other missing secret could be. Therefor I must dive into the builder.

Do you remember the total amount of money at the exit?
Yes, I read that sign but I am not sure which room you are referring to.  I must try again.

€17.400

[brell]

Regarding 17703:

Perhaps you can make it impossible for Jack to make a suicidal jump from the top of the silver bricks? Then the problem is solved I believe. You could use the T to make platforms appear to the sides of the silver bricks or something like that.

[Freddy]

And you are also still missing a second secret. Have you been back to the room with the four giant spiders and the four fast moving eye balls? To have closer look ...

[Freddy]

5C4C5B52523E0 wrote: Regarding 17703:

Perhaps you can make it impossible for Jack  to make a suicidal jump from the top of the silver bricks?  Then the problem is solved I believe.  You could use the T to make platforms appear to the sides of the silver bricks or something like that.

I thought about that, but there is also the platform where the G/S-lever is. Jack may die there as well and the right side can't be closed because it's a 'landing' platform.

[Freddy]

6D7D6A63630F0 wrote: ... Perhaps - as an afterthought - the belt and the gap is hint enough? ...

I believe that we are on the same wavelength. The hints for the secret feel okay and normal. But 'play' is on the edge of hard. So wat I yesterday had in mind, you may see now in the image.

Room 17499 is still under maintenance but I used ten spare minutes for a few changes starting with a safer ledge in the upper left corner. There Jack's progress to the red key is with the short ladder. And that is supposed to be a reminder or a lesson as help for what is going on at the other side of the room.

The added lever helps Jack out of the left lower corner .

[Freddy]

Regarding room 16703, this is what I am going to do (and see if everything works).

- Replace the silver blocks with gold blocks and allow jumps to the left because of that gold coin.
- Remove the 3 gold blocks left of the lever. And the lever itself.
- Create a G/S-changer in the room above.
- Install a way back ladder from the lower left corner in the room above to the upper left corner of 16703.
- Add the blue key on that ladder to expose that Jack has to go up and down with one way ladders.
- In the room above, add a second door in the lower left corner activated with a press button in the upper right corner.

[brell]

083C2B2A2A374E0 wrote: Regarding room 16703, this is what I am going to do (and see if everything works).

- Replace the silver blocks with gold blocks and allow jumps to the left because of that gold coin.
- Remove the 3 gold blocks left of the lever. And the lever itself.
- Create a G/S-changer in the room above.
- Install a way back ladder from the lower left corner in the room above to the upper left corner of 16703.
- Add the blue key on that ladder to expose that Jack has to go up and down with one way ladders.
- In the room above, add a second door in the lower left corner activated with a press button in the upper right corner.

Are you sure you are not referring to 17703?

[brell]

093D2A2B2B364F0 wrote: And you are also still missing a second secret. Have you been back to the room with the four giant spiders and the four fast moving eye balls? To have closer look ...

OK found it.  Very subtle  8-)