Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den

[jamesbolton@cox.ne]

room 15703, red birds gone, one Jack sacrificed, all trap doors open, all goodies picked, upon re-entering still plays the

secret here

sound.  Did I miss something or????

Regards
Jim

[Semi-Native]

I've seen that happen in some rooms of various mansions, too. I don't know what causes it. Vern, do you know the answer to this?

[RobSeegel]

313A363E283934372F34351B38342375353E5B0 wrote: [quote author=5C6A626622416E7B66796A0F0 link=1277451142/143#143 date=1281542448]HARD



Margherita and I seem to be the only ones testing this mansion. Anybody else?

I am having a go at it and struggling and it also seems I just start to get the layout and Rob puts out a new version and I have to restart  .  Haven't found anything that you guys haven't yet.
Sorry about that - I didn't consider the impact these rapid fire changes were having in my desire to get stuff fixed as soon as I could. I do have another update that I'm working on that makes some things easier in the last area and the vault, but I'll hold off for another day or so and play the whole thing through a few more times.

Thanks

[RobSeegel]

49424E4650414C4F574C4D63404C5B0D4D46230 wrote: room 15703, red birds gone, one Jack sacrificed, all trap doors open, all goodies picked, upon re-entering still plays the

secret here

sound.  Did I miss something or????

I don't think so - I've also seen that and it puzzles me. I'm not sure but it may be a game glitch.

[jamesbolton@cox.ne]

45787544727270727B170 wrote: [quote author=313A363E283934372F34351B38342375353E5B0 link=1277451142/149#149 date=1281692668][quote author=5C6A626622416E7B66796A0F0 link=1277451142/143#143 date=1281542448]HARD



Margherita and I seem to be the only ones testing this mansion. Anybody else?

I am having a go at it and struggling and it also seems I just start to get the layout and Rob puts out a new version and I have to restart  .  Haven't found anything that you guys haven't yet.
Sorry about that - I didn't consider the impact these rapid fire changes were having in my desire to get stuff fixed as soon as I could. I do have another update that I'm working on that makes some things easier in the last area and the vault, but I'll hold off for another day or so and play the whole thing through a few more times.

Thanks

not to worry I fully understand the search for perfection
keep up the good work
Regards
Jim

[RobSeegel]

Some more minor modifications to the mansion to address reported issues and minor things that I found. I'm starting to run into some really weird issues, where I open the mansion in the editor and it appears to be fixed, yet when I play the mansion I don't see the mods. It may or may not have something to do with the fact that I've multiple versions of the MM and the editor at this point... It's making things pretty confusing. I keep running across things I'm sure I've fixed.... hopefully that won't be the case here.

One substantial change that I forgot to give a good mention in the changes notes for area 3 (zapper section). I've gotten rid of one of the red doors (and keys). It's the key that's on the roof of the guard tower. I've replaced that key with a purple one, which you will need in order to get one of the red keys. It doesn't change things much. You're still forced to go over to the top of the guard tower. It just requires one less key.

Here's some (mostly) minor changes along with some notes.

Edit: removed mansion attachment - more recent version available

[RobSeegel]

Jimbo: as far as perfection goes... At this point I'm realistic enough to know I'm never gonna get there, but naive enough to want to keep trying. This is going to have to end at some point though. Hopefully, soon.

I'm certainly not in the same league as the rest of you guys who put these things together. Hopefully though... I brought something to the table that added something slightly different to the mix (besides good intentions ).

[Semi-Native]

Okay, finally finished the hard version with 93% secrets (or 95%, I forget).

16700 BBB first paragraph:

imediately

needs another 'm'. Also, in the second sentence, should it read

Is it Gus?

15704 BBB on the bottom (after going through the red doors and sliding down the pole) second paragraph, the word

interupts

should have another 'r'

15510 Jack Stuck (see pic). Troll just pulled the lever to drop the key, but Jack is stuck between the 2 gray doors. I forgot to take the screen shot while I was playing so I took it in the MLB.

16304 I had 5 yellow keys, 1 green, 1 blue, 1 purple. I couldn't pick up the red key, so I traveled right to 16309 to use a key but had to leave the other 2 there, of course. When I got back to 16304, I jumped down to get the red key, but now Jack is stuck because the brick didn't come down for him to jump on. The lever is set to be used only once. See pic. (The reason I had the purple was because at first, I chose not to use the purple in 15102 - I didn't feel like working that hard just to get a money bag - but I eventually did so I could get rid of that key)

17099 Same key dilemma - no room to pick up both keys. It's a pain to have to travel all over the place to get rid of keys, then come back to pick up some more.

15910 BBB at bottom, 2nd paragraph -

congratuations

is missing the 'l' Also, same paragraph, it should read either

...by no means my only one

or

it is not my only one

[VernJensen]

555E525A4C5D50534B50517F5C504711515A3F0 wrote: room 15703, red birds gone, one Jack sacrificed, all trap doors open, all goodies picked, upon re-entering still plays the

secret here

sound.  Did I miss something or????

Regards
Jim

That's definitely a bug in the game's engine! I'll look into it. Nice thing here is that it's easily repeatable.

Semi-Native, you mentioned you'd seen this in other mansions. Can you give any specific room numbers? When I fix this, I'd like to make sure it fixes the other spots too.

[VernJensen]

Okay, so the bug in 15703 is due to the

Action is Permanent

checkbox NOT being checked for one of the H triggers. (Specifically, the 2nd one from the top.)

So I'm confused why this checkbox is even there. Is there a legitimate situation where an H trigger's action should *not* be permanent? If so, what should happen in this case?

I'm confused why I put this checkbox on the H trigger in the first place. Any ideas?