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Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den
5C6A626622416E7B66796A0F0 wrote: I just finished with only 91% secrets and a lot less money. I missed a yellow key somewhere. My bad.  :-[

15300  Jack got the last set of keys from 15298, travelled right to 15300 on the blue bat platform. It now has a down arrow, but nothing happens when Jack jumps on it, it doesn't move. (see pic)

margherita, congratulations for getting 100% and all money, that's awesome!!!

Just seeing that image made me realize there's another issue even with this fix. You wouldn't have had space available to get that key even if it had gone down, which is a problem. I do have an idea for it though, which I'll fix when I get home.

I could put up a trigger that will permanantly create a platform going back up if Jack comes down that way, so that even if he missed it the one time, he'd be able to go back up easier and get it later.

I have had another thought on how to fix this key business.... I could move those blue keys in each of the green key rooms (except for the last one) so that there are behind the green doors next to the levers. This would mean that Jack would only have as many as 1 green and 1 blue key at a time.

The downside here is that Jack would have to make multiple trips. I had initially thought to leave this up to the player when deciding when to pick up the various keys, because at worst it would mean that Jack might have to make a few extra trips. If I go with the other approach, I'm basically forcing Jack to go after one key at a time.

Kind of a bummer - on one hand key management was always going to be one of the challenges (for the player), but because of how things are spread out, I can see how frustrating that would be. Oh well... it will give me something to think about during my commute home.
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Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by VernJensen - 06-25-2010, 07:32 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by Semi-Native - 06-25-2010, 03:45 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by divadnala - 06-25-2010, 04:00 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 06-25-2010, 11:34 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 06-26-2010, 01:42 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by hawaii - 07-04-2010, 02:09 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 07-04-2010, 02:53 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by hawaii - 07-04-2010, 03:45 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 07-05-2010, 02:46 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by Semi-Native - 07-08-2010, 05:51 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 07-08-2010, 11:53 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by Semi-Native - 07-09-2010, 11:24 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 07-26-2010, 01:06 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by Semi-Native - 07-26-2010, 01:51 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 07-26-2010, 08:24 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 07-26-2010, 11:10 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 07-26-2010, 11:17 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 07-27-2010, 03:24 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by Wingy - 07-27-2010, 04:22 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 07-27-2010, 06:54 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by Semi-Native - 07-27-2010, 11:40 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 07-27-2010, 11:57 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 07-27-2010, 11:59 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 07-27-2010, 12:08 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by Semi-Native - 07-27-2010, 01:09 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 07-28-2010, 01:54 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 07-28-2010, 02:03 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 07-28-2010, 08:30 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by Semi-Native - 07-28-2010, 11:43 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 07-28-2010, 12:59 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by Semi-Native - 07-28-2010, 08:28 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 07-28-2010, 10:21 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by Wingy - 07-28-2010, 10:55 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 07-28-2010, 10:56 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by Semi-Native - 07-28-2010, 10:57 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 07-28-2010, 11:15 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 07-29-2010, 07:41 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 07-29-2010, 07:46 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by Semi-Native - 07-29-2010, 11:45 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by Semi-Native - 07-29-2010, 03:31 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 07-29-2010, 06:52 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 07-29-2010, 07:05 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 07-29-2010, 08:18 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by VernJensen - 07-29-2010, 08:24 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by Semi-Native - 07-29-2010, 09:07 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 07-29-2010, 09:20 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 07-29-2010, 09:25 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 07-29-2010, 09:41 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by VernJensen - 07-29-2010, 09:59 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 07-29-2010, 10:03 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 07-29-2010, 11:11 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 07-30-2010, 01:00 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 07-30-2010, 05:24 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 07-30-2010, 05:30 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 07-30-2010, 05:46 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by Semi-Native - 07-31-2010, 08:48 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 07-31-2010, 09:39 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by margherita64 - 08-01-2010, 10:37 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-01-2010, 02:14 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-01-2010, 02:18 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by Semi-Native - 08-01-2010, 02:30 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-01-2010, 09:49 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-02-2010, 11:33 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by Semi-Native - 08-02-2010, 03:56 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-02-2010, 06:13 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by Semi-Native - 08-02-2010, 06:37 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-02-2010, 10:05 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by margherita64 - 08-02-2010, 10:33 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-02-2010, 10:43 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-03-2010, 05:28 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-03-2010, 05:37 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-03-2010, 05:42 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-03-2010, 06:22 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-03-2010, 06:59 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by margherita64 - 08-03-2010, 08:42 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by margherita64 - 08-03-2010, 10:06 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by Semi-Native - 08-03-2010, 11:39 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-03-2010, 01:16 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-03-2010, 01:22 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-03-2010, 01:36 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-04-2010, 01:24 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by margherita64 - 08-04-2010, 04:12 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by margherita64 - 08-04-2010, 04:38 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-04-2010, 06:21 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-04-2010, 06:27 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by Semi-Native - 08-04-2010, 07:42 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-04-2010, 09:04 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by Semi-Native - 08-04-2010, 09:31 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-04-2010, 10:21 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-05-2010, 01:28 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by margherita64 - 08-05-2010, 03:59 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by margherita64 - 08-05-2010, 04:04 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by Wingy - 08-05-2010, 04:47 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by margherita64 - 08-05-2010, 04:54 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by margherita64 - 08-05-2010, 10:35 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-05-2010, 11:27 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-05-2010, 11:48 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by margherita64 - 08-06-2010, 09:37 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-06-2010, 11:58 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by margherita64 - 08-06-2010, 12:51 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-06-2010, 01:54 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-06-2010, 02:19 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-06-2010, 02:30 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by margherita64 - 08-06-2010, 03:55 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by margherita64 - 08-06-2010, 05:21 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by Semi-Native - 08-06-2010, 06:38 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-06-2010, 06:59 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-06-2010, 07:03 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-06-2010, 07:13 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-06-2010, 07:31 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by margherita64 - 08-06-2010, 09:17 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-06-2010, 10:40 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-06-2010, 11:02 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by margherita64 - 08-07-2010, 01:03 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by jamesbolton@cox.ne - 08-07-2010, 01:14 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by margherita64 - 08-07-2010, 02:41 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-07-2010, 03:43 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-07-2010, 03:57 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by Semi-Native - 08-07-2010, 05:50 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by Semi-Native - 08-07-2010, 05:55 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by margherita64 - 08-07-2010, 07:36 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by Semi-Native - 08-07-2010, 07:45 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by Semi-Native - 08-07-2010, 07:46 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-07-2010, 08:41 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-07-2010, 09:06 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-07-2010, 09:55 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by margherita64 - 08-07-2010, 09:58 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-07-2010, 10:20 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by margherita64 - 08-07-2010, 10:56 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by Semi-Native - 08-07-2010, 11:22 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-07-2010, 11:51 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-08-2010, 12:09 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by margherita64 - 08-08-2010, 01:58 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by Semi-Native - 08-08-2010, 03:18 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-09-2010, 08:35 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by Semi-Native - 08-09-2010, 12:18 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by Semi-Native - 08-09-2010, 10:46 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-10-2010, 03:21 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-10-2010, 07:10 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by margherita64 - 08-10-2010, 10:38 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-10-2010, 11:21 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-11-2010, 08:01 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by margherita64 - 08-11-2010, 03:48 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by Semi-Native - 08-11-2010, 04:00 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-11-2010, 04:51 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-11-2010, 05:42 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-11-2010, 06:14 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by margherita64 - 08-11-2010, 07:54 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-11-2010, 09:02 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by jamesbolton@cox.ne - 08-13-2010, 09:44 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by jamesbolton@cox.ne - 08-13-2010, 09:52 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by Semi-Native - 08-13-2010, 11:38 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-13-2010, 01:16 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-13-2010, 01:22 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by jamesbolton@cox.ne - 08-13-2010, 01:41 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-17-2010, 10:33 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-17-2010, 10:43 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by Semi-Native - 08-17-2010, 07:15 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by VernJensen - 08-17-2010, 07:46 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by VernJensen - 08-17-2010, 08:23 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by Semi-Native - 08-17-2010, 08:49 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by Semi-Native - 08-17-2010, 08:58 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-17-2010, 09:20 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-18-2010, 03:22 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-18-2010, 03:29 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-18-2010, 03:46 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-18-2010, 05:29 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by margherita64 - 08-18-2010, 07:09 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-19-2010, 01:09 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-19-2010, 04:14 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by jamesbolton@cox.ne - 08-19-2010, 09:40 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by margherita64 - 08-19-2010, 04:05 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by Semi-Native - 08-19-2010, 05:08 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by Semi-Native - 08-19-2010, 07:37 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-19-2010, 09:51 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-19-2010, 09:59 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-19-2010, 10:04 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by Semi-Native - 08-20-2010, 12:02 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-20-2010, 12:51 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-20-2010, 08:38 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by margherita64 - 08-20-2010, 01:48 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-20-2010, 05:03 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by Semi-Native - 08-21-2010, 08:25 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-22-2010, 12:28 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-22-2010, 02:29 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-22-2010, 07:27 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by rose - 08-22-2010, 08:29 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-22-2010, 09:40 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by rose - 08-22-2010, 10:20 AM
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Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by jamesbolton@cox.ne - 08-22-2010, 01:06 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-22-2010, 01:55 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-22-2010, 01:57 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-22-2010, 02:23 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by jamesbolton@cox.ne - 08-22-2010, 03:31 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by jamesbolton@cox.ne - 08-22-2010, 04:01 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by Semi-Native - 08-22-2010, 04:27 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-22-2010, 04:28 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by jamesbolton@cox.ne - 08-22-2010, 06:48 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-22-2010, 07:52 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by VernJensen - 08-22-2010, 07:52 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by VernJensen - 08-22-2010, 07:54 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-22-2010, 07:57 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-22-2010, 08:00 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-22-2010, 08:28 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-22-2010, 09:09 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by Semi-Native - 08-22-2010, 09:25 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by jamesbolton@cox.ne - 08-23-2010, 12:54 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by jamesbolton@cox.ne - 08-23-2010, 12:58 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-23-2010, 04:17 AM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by rose - 08-23-2010, 04:38 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by Semi-Native - 08-23-2010, 06:48 PM
Re: Beta 4: Dr. Demented's Den - by RobSeegel - 08-24-2010, 02:37 AM
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