08-01-2010, 02:18 PM
15298 Can there be more than one trigger to reveal the blue bat platform on the way back to the right? Jack can miss the first zapper and jump off onto the second section, but it will look like he's stuck because the trigger is all the way on the left. Also, the bat platform should move slower to give Jack more time to jump off.
I wasn't entirely sure what happened to you here. Here was my intention:
Jack should have been able to ride the platform heading left all the way in without doing anything. The timing was very precise such that the zappers should have been off as jack passed over each one. Admittedly, it was very close, and I can understand why someone might jump off. On the way back, if it was by foot, then Jack should have had no trouble evading the zappers.
There were a few things, looking back at it, that I wasn't happy with:
1) I used a blue platform to head to this area, when it should have been black
2) I didn't use a blue bat tile with the trigger like I've done other places.
3) The trickiness with the zappers probably wasn't worth the effort, and may have had unintended consequences.
4.) I'm not sure if it was necessary for the platform to take Jack all the way
to the final destination since he could have gone by foot. The zappers weren't really intended to be difficult.
15301 Have mercy.
I could slow it down a little I guess. This was a fun one -- and it immediately follows a save point!
15304 Insanely hard. At least get rid of those pesky scorpions and don't make Jack have to pull that middle lever every time he re-enters the room.
This was one I was really proud of because it's tough without being impossible with patience. I will lose one of the scorpions and slow the other one down. I won't reset the middle lever either.
15698 Too hard with all the zappers, skull spiders and eyeballs.
Skull spiders are history. one or two zappers as well.
15699 I think these moving tiles are too hard. It wouldn't be so bad if Jack didn't also have to maneuver the disappearing bricks and the ghosts.
Ghosts are gone. I'll plays with this a bit - probably the disappearing bricks will be replaces as well. The main reason they're there in the first place is that they were an existing feature in the original version of this mansion.
15704 Those moving tiles are too hard - too varied in height Jack falls through a lot.
OK - I paired the tiles up so that they are tougher to fall off.
15899 Jack walks in back of the right-hand BBB, but then if he doubles back, he walks in front of it AND in back of it. Very strange!
Yeah.. very strange. I created a new BBB, moved it away from the moving platforms, and it seemed to be behave better. [Later notes: I now think this has to do with the close proximaty to the yellow moving platform/bridge]
15904 BBB first paragraph should read
Fixed.
15903 Old music used.
Noted for later. The music is currently low on my priority list.
15909 Jack Stuck. Jack is on the right middle level with 2 gray doors closed in front of him (I think because he died by zapper and reappeared there. This has happened to me twice). The lever only opens one of the doors. When he goes right to 15910, he's blocked by silver blocks. I got rid of the other gray door. I'll probably be getting rid of some of the zappers as well. Not all, because I need the double zappers at the bottom level to prevent players from entering the vault or area 5 w/o red keys. Other than that I'll take a look at gettind rid of most of the zappers here. They shouldn't have such a prominent role in what is predominately a gold/silver puzzle.
16099 BBB still blank.
Not since the update today, though I came close to deleting it. It's fairly inconsequential.
16300 You can't read the entire message on the top level BBB. I'm playing in a window in order to be able to make notes easier, so I don't know if that makes a difference. But it looked the same when I checked in the MLB. You can change the size of the sign in the MLB.
Yep - I'd fixed this earlier on my last walkthrough.
16300 Bottom BBB is still blank. Also, the moving tile should ride up just a bit higher, since it's a little hard to make that jump onto the upper level.
Already fixed BBB, I did allow the platform to go a bit higher. Also had to move the location of the floating lever. The point is jump straight up immediately following lever change. You should land on the platform, on it's downward trip.
16699 Jack walks in back of the BBB that appears near the big spider.
As near as I can tell, this appears to be a graphical glitch that occurs when a sprite is in close proximity to a moving platform. (In this case most of the
16896 BBB should say
Fixed.
16900 Jack Stuck. Jack rode the blue bat platform into the rooms to the right, went up but then decided to go back down hoping to get back to 16900. However, the bat platform went into the acid and Jack died. He reappeared in the middle of 16900 with nothing to step onto.
The platform should no longer go into the acid, and there should be a solid platform or two in this room to jump to where Jack should go to if he dies. I tried commiting Jack-icide from the moving platform before getting to the fixed and it resulted in me getting send to 16900. So maybe it's fixed now.
16902 Jack Stuck, same as 16900. Jack made the blue bat platform appear by stepping on the blue tile. Rode it into the room to the left but decided to go back to 16902. The blue platform kept going to the right edge but then went down into the acid. Even if Jack jumps onto the conveyor belt, he can't jump down safely.
Had already fixed the Jack Stuck; went back and prevented the platform from going all the way to the right. Also added a save point over there.
I've tried and tried to get through the blue section with all the zappers, levers, gold/silver bricks, etc. I just can't do it, sorry! I'm not saying it's necessarily impossible, I'm just too frustrated to keep trying.
This will be easier in the next update - I've already started, but it would be really helpful to know where the biggest pain points were that you ran into. I'm guessing that at least some of the them were in 15908-15910. It was a little ugly - very technical and unecessariy brutal in a few areas.
This will probably not sound very funny, but I was truly afraid that it might not be difficult enough. I'm not sure why. I think that section was done over the course of some very long nights.
Please consider making this whole section easier to figure out with fewer gold/silver blocks and zappers. I will focus on making the critical path easier. I'm going to try and avoid making heavy changes to the bonus areas if possible, but even those may change if absolutely necessary.
I wasn't entirely sure what happened to you here. Here was my intention:
Jack should have been able to ride the platform heading left all the way in without doing anything. The timing was very precise such that the zappers should have been off as jack passed over each one. Admittedly, it was very close, and I can understand why someone might jump off. On the way back, if it was by foot, then Jack should have had no trouble evading the zappers.
There were a few things, looking back at it, that I wasn't happy with:
1) I used a blue platform to head to this area, when it should have been black
2) I didn't use a blue bat tile with the trigger like I've done other places.
3) The trickiness with the zappers probably wasn't worth the effort, and may have had unintended consequences.
4.) I'm not sure if it was necessary for the platform to take Jack all the way
to the final destination since he could have gone by foot. The zappers weren't really intended to be difficult.
15301 Have mercy.
I could slow it down a little I guess. This was a fun one -- and it immediately follows a save point!
15304 Insanely hard. At least get rid of those pesky scorpions and don't make Jack have to pull that middle lever every time he re-enters the room.
This was one I was really proud of because it's tough without being impossible with patience. I will lose one of the scorpions and slow the other one down. I won't reset the middle lever either.
15698 Too hard with all the zappers, skull spiders and eyeballs.
Skull spiders are history. one or two zappers as well.
15699 I think these moving tiles are too hard. It wouldn't be so bad if Jack didn't also have to maneuver the disappearing bricks and the ghosts.
Ghosts are gone. I'll plays with this a bit - probably the disappearing bricks will be replaces as well. The main reason they're there in the first place is that they were an existing feature in the original version of this mansion.
15704 Those moving tiles are too hard - too varied in height Jack falls through a lot.
OK - I paired the tiles up so that they are tougher to fall off.
15899 Jack walks in back of the right-hand BBB, but then if he doubles back, he walks in front of it AND in back of it. Very strange!
Yeah.. very strange. I created a new BBB, moved it away from the moving platforms, and it seemed to be behave better. [Later notes: I now think this has to do with the close proximaty to the yellow moving platform/bridge]
15904 BBB first paragraph should read
... howls for help and mercy are pitiful... by a single troll...And in the paragraph about the sign, take out the quote marks after 'yellow key', since the whole paragraph is a quote by Dr. D.
Fixed.
15903 Old music used.
Noted for later. The music is currently low on my priority list.
15909 Jack Stuck. Jack is on the right middle level with 2 gray doors closed in front of him (I think because he died by zapper and reappeared there. This has happened to me twice). The lever only opens one of the doors. When he goes right to 15910, he's blocked by silver blocks. I got rid of the other gray door. I'll probably be getting rid of some of the zappers as well. Not all, because I need the double zappers at the bottom level to prevent players from entering the vault or area 5 w/o red keys. Other than that I'll take a look at gettind rid of most of the zappers here. They shouldn't have such a prominent role in what is predominately a gold/silver puzzle.
16099 BBB still blank.
Not since the update today, though I came close to deleting it. It's fairly inconsequential.
16300 You can't read the entire message on the top level BBB. I'm playing in a window in order to be able to make notes easier, so I don't know if that makes a difference. But it looked the same when I checked in the MLB. You can change the size of the sign in the MLB.
Yep - I'd fixed this earlier on my last walkthrough.
16300 Bottom BBB is still blank. Also, the moving tile should ride up just a bit higher, since it's a little hard to make that jump onto the upper level.
Already fixed BBB, I did allow the platform to go a bit higher. Also had to move the location of the floating lever. The point is jump straight up immediately following lever change. You should land on the platform, on it's downward trip.
16699 Jack walks in back of the BBB that appears near the big spider.
As near as I can tell, this appears to be a graphical glitch that occurs when a sprite is in close proximity to a moving platform. (In this case most of the
flooris a moving platform) I was able to mitigate it. I used this trick in the mansion twice - here and in 17107 because it's such a fun effect (well, *I* think it is anyway) that is only possible in MM2. The main issue with it is that you can't suspend the game while standing on a floor like this.
16896 BBB should say
richesnot
richest
Fixed.
16900 Jack Stuck. Jack rode the blue bat platform into the rooms to the right, went up but then decided to go back down hoping to get back to 16900. However, the bat platform went into the acid and Jack died. He reappeared in the middle of 16900 with nothing to step onto.
The platform should no longer go into the acid, and there should be a solid platform or two in this room to jump to where Jack should go to if he dies. I tried commiting Jack-icide from the moving platform before getting to the fixed and it resulted in me getting send to 16900. So maybe it's fixed now.
16902 Jack Stuck, same as 16900. Jack made the blue bat platform appear by stepping on the blue tile. Rode it into the room to the left but decided to go back to 16902. The blue platform kept going to the right edge but then went down into the acid. Even if Jack jumps onto the conveyor belt, he can't jump down safely.
Had already fixed the Jack Stuck; went back and prevented the platform from going all the way to the right. Also added a save point over there.
I've tried and tried to get through the blue section with all the zappers, levers, gold/silver bricks, etc. I just can't do it, sorry! I'm not saying it's necessarily impossible, I'm just too frustrated to keep trying.
This will be easier in the next update - I've already started, but it would be really helpful to know where the biggest pain points were that you ran into. I'm guessing that at least some of the them were in 15908-15910. It was a little ugly - very technical and unecessariy brutal in a few areas.
This will probably not sound very funny, but I was truly afraid that it might not be difficult enough. I'm not sure why. I think that section was done over the course of some very long nights.
Please consider making this whole section easier to figure out with fewer gold/silver blocks and zappers. I will focus on making the critical path easier. I'm going to try and avoid making heavy changes to the bonus areas if possible, but even those may change if absolutely necessary.