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List of cm's that work in MM1 HD - brell - 08-21-2011
Here is what I have checked so far and definitely works in the HD version (minor changes were needed in some mansions, though):
brell:
A resort for retired goldhunters
Back to square one
The pirate invasion
Three way mansion
Freddy:
A deserted holiday village
A room of one's own
Bedlam
House of wonders
Landlord's pub
Midnight mazes and monsters
Return of the falcon
The 7th key
The wall
Whiskey bar (not an accepted cm)
Joeb:
Helter skullter easy
Matt and Joes' intro
The Mall
Others:
Catacombs (many authors)
Echo keep (Miss Lemon)
One room (Alexander)
Sky Boxes (Semi-Native)
The Dalton brothers (Alexander)
I think we should all test our own cm's and perhaps divide between us to contact other authors. I can try to contact Psychotronic, Freddy, Joeb and Maniac if you like.
Re: List of cm's that work in MM1 HD - brell - 08-23-2011
I just uploaded my Three Way Mansion in HD format:
http://www.actionsoft.com/forums/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1166900369/0#0
Note that the original version is still there.
Re: List of cm's that work in MM1 HD - RobSeegel - 08-24-2011
5141565F5F330 wrote: I just uploaded my Three Way Mansion in HD format:
http://www.actionsoft.com/forums/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1166900369/0#0
Note that the original version is still there.
Uploading them alongside the others seems like the way to go. I think we should also note on the various lists on whether an HD version is available or not. That way you can easily see without any further clicks whether one exists. I'm working my way through the upload process now, which is a bit more involved than I guessed.
Re: List of cm's that work in MM1 HD - brell - 08-24-2011
Don't you think it would be enough to publish a list like the one above with links to the download pages?
Re: List of cm's that work in MM1 HD - RobSeegel - 08-25-2011
7060777E7E120 wrote: Don't you think it would be enough to publish a list like the one above with links to the download pages?
Yes - and it would probably even be better/easier to see the ones that have been converted. The only reason I suggested that, is that if the lists were combined it would also be relatively easy to see those that haven't been converted.
Instead of that though... how about if we go with the separate list, and then at the bottom list those that *haven't* been converted due to some problem or the other?
Re: List of cm's that work in MM1 HD - RobSeegel - 08-25-2011
All right... here's a list (that will be changing as more are evaluated or as some move to other categories), of mansions and my evaluation on their readiness to be converted and moved over. Many, if not most from the first two categories I've already converted. The criteria I've used to break them up is unbiased and as non-subjective as possible. It's certainly not based on any personal likes or dislikes.
PASS:
1. These converted without any additional work. They contained no custom graphics, and were unaffected by recent changes to MM HD.... well, unaffected in a way that prevented them from being finished anyway.
- Arevn's Mansion Done by brell!
- Art Minds Mansion Done by brell!
- The Bat House - Done!
- Bobcat Mansion Easy - Done!
- Bobcat Mansion Normal - Done!
- Cheetah Castle Easy - Done!
- Cheetah Castle Normal - Done!
- Creepy Cottage - Done!
- A Curious Observatory - Done!
- Daedalus - Done!
- The Dalton Brothers Done by brell!
- Dark Sorts- Done!
- Doctor Tronic's Zoo- Done!
- Doctor Tronic's Zoo Normal- Done!
- Doppleganger Challenge- Done!
- Doldrum Dungeon- Done!
- The Dragon's Trap Hard- Done!
- The Dragon's Trap Normal- Done!
- Dreamland
- Eavesdropping- Done!
- Echo Keep Done by brell!
- FACES exp Hard - Done!
- FACES exp Normal - Done!
* Foggy Forest Mansion - Done!
- Goblin's Lair - Done!
- Gomorroh - Done!
- Happy Christmas Jack Malone! - Done!
- Happy Hannukah! - Done!
- Helter Skullter - Done!
- Helter Skullter Easy - Done!
- Jack in Spider World - Done!
- Jack Visits His Neighbors - Done!
- Jack's BFF - Done!
- Jacque's Revenge - Part I - Done!
- Jacque's Revenge - Part II - Done!
- Journey to Sarkozyland - Done!
- Knu's Infinite - Done!
- Korvac's Keep- Done!
- La Luna Mansion- Done!
- Landlord's Pub Done by brell!
- The Lost Jungle- Done!
- The Lost Jungle 2- Done!
- The Mall - Done!
- Malone Manor - Done!
- Matt & Joe's Intro - Done!
- Matt & Joe's Place - Done!
- Midnight Castle - Done!
- Midnight Pyramid
- Mikee's Castle - Done!
- Mini Ore Mine - Done!
- Monty's Mansion - Done!
- Octopus Mansion - Done!
- Octopus Mansion Hard - Done!
- One Room - Done!
- Orpheus - Done!
- Palace of Gore - Done!
- Palais of Pompomrouge - Done!
- Palais of Pompomrouge Easy - Done!
- Scorpion Mansion
- The 7th Key Done by brell!
- Skeleton Mansion
- Sky Boxes - Done!
- Small Palace of Gore - Done!
- Starter Home - Done!
- The Swiss Mansion Easy - Done!
- The Swiss Mansion Hard - Done!
- The Swiss Mansion Normal - Done!
- Temple of Hallowe'en
- Temple of the Gorgons - Done! // Checked!
- Temple of the Moon - Done! // Checked!
- This Old Mansion - Done! // Checked!
- Tower of Power - Done! // Checked!
- Triad - Done! // Checked!
- Veronica's Ladders - Done! // Checked!
- Veronika's Towers - Done! // Checked!
- Volcanis
- Volcanis Low
- Wingy's Small Mansion
The mansions were designed by Brell or Freddy and Brell is going to or has already fixed any issues in these (making them category 1 - I'm not sure if any updates were made for MM1, so I thought it best to keep them away from the main bunch):
- Back to Square One Done by brell!
- Bedlam (ladder issues - 16292) fixed by brell, waiting for Freddy's approval
- Midnight Mazes and Monsters (thin ghost platforms: 16534/16535) fixed by brell, waiting for Freddy's approval
- The Wall (unusable lever) fixed by brell, waiting for Freddy's approval
- House of Wonders (ladder issues) fixed by brell, waiting for Freddy's approval
- A Resort for Retired Goldhunters Done by brell!
2. These mansions either had preview Pict resources, or had TEXT resources that needed to be corrected (the name attribute needed to be removed). Otherwise, no corrections needed to be made. They had no custom graphics, and were unaffected by recent changes to MM HD.
I made the appropriate corrections as needed as I was testing the mansions. No editor was required.
- Catacombs Done by brell!
- A Deserted Holiday Village Done by brell!
- The Mansion Family - Mind Mines - Done!
- Questing for the Rainbow Key - Done!
- Three-way Mansion Done by brell!
- Turtle Mansion - Done! // Checked!
- The Warrior - Done! // Checked!
FAIL:
3. These mansions contained no custom graphics, but were affected by recent changes to the game. These will need to be corrected by someone with a working builder - preferably the original designer. Fixes to these mansions need to be coordinated with the designer.
Some of these changes are extremely minor and easy to fix, others are much more involved. Rather than trying to draw any sort of line, I think it's best to simple talk with the original designers and suggest corrections rather than making any changes ourselves.
- Brother from Another Planet
- Cranes (thin ghost platforms: 16698/16699)
- Luris (most levers are unusable, thin ghost platforms: 12298/12299)
- otg Alpha Mansion (broken levers)
- The Underground Fortress (lots of broken levers)
- PACI-Freak Express (unusable levers)
4. The following mansions use some form of custom graphics. As in category 3, not all cases are the same, but rather than simply worry about individual cases, I think it's best to lump them together for the time being, and come back to them later. As I mentioned before, I include mansions with custom backgrounds in this group. Some of these mansions look fine without custom graphics, others do not. Designers should be the ones to decide whether or not custom graphics can be trimmed out. Also, I feel it's worth waiting on these to give Vern a chance to fine-tune the mechanism for custom backgrounds to be incorporated in the same zip file as the other resources.
- The Birdcage (5 custom images)
- Church (4 backgrounds, 2 mp3)
- The Complex (6 custom images)
- Discotheque of Doom (37 custom images)
- Dominator (lots of work here: 3 mp3, 5 backgrounds, Custom Sprites/Graphics/Sounds file)
- The Four Tubes (10 custom images)
- House of Coine (2 custom images)
- Immortal Ruins (4 custom backgrounds)
- Jack Malone and the Temple of Tombs (32 custom images)
- JUMP! (3 custom images)
- Les Catacombs Rouges (1 custom image)
- The Mansion Family A Wondrous Place (2 custom images)
- The Money Pit (2 custom images)
- The Mummy's Revenge (11 custom images)
- Oline's Coffeehouse
- Panther Mansion (barely uses custom graphics)
- Perpetuum Mobile
- Raedeka
- Starcraft 1
- Starcraft 2
- Starcraft 3
- Testing Mansion
- The Void (Custom graphics 2 sprites - minor change)
My personal feeling for the mansions with custom graphics is that we shouldn't move them over for HD until we can guarantee a presentation as close as possible to the original game.
One problem with these lists... if Vern makes any other changes at this point which break additional mansions, a lot of this work will need to be done again, unless I can come up with an automated way of checking for it, which is possible, but not trivial.
Re: List of cm's that work in MM1 HD - brell - 08-25-2011
Thanks, Rob. Your list is much more thorough than mine although I've tested a few mansions that you haven't.
I'll be away this weekend but in next week we should start contacting authors about minor changes to cm's without cg's and uploading the working mansions.
Re: List of cm's that work in MM1 HD - RobSeegel - 08-26-2011
Thoroughis relative here.
I've been going room-by-room in the editor, and leaning heavily on the
enable arrow keyscheat/test code in the new game to quickly go through the mansions. Occasionally, I'll stop to play a few suspicious areas. I was looking for specific issues, and to see if anything jumped out at me like graphical glitches. It's highly possible I missed things that we haven't noticed in the new game yet.
My thinking here, is that generally these mansions have been tested, and played over the years - most major problems would have already surfaced and hopefully been corrected by now. Even if that wasn't the case, looking for the normal issues was a bit outside the scope of what I was hoping to do.
I was just hoping to get a better idea of the task, perhaps prioritize the work, and reduce the amount of effort required by designers. I had only planned on contacting those designers whose mansions fell in category 3. Possibly category 4 as well, but I'm less sure about that since there may be further changes to help with storing custom graphics.
As you can see, I've been steadily adding to the list as I go through mansions. I think there may only be a handful left to look at. Perhaps there's some way we can split up the uploading chores.
Re: List of cm's that work in MM1 HD - RobSeegel - 08-26-2011
Brell,
If you've fixed any mansion that I have in Category 3 or 4, let me know, and I'll move it Category 1. I deliberately missed a few of yours and Freddy's mansions early on, because I knew you were taking care of them. As you can see *most* of the issues I've run into are due to levers being positioned so that their base rests one tile below where Jack is walking, and I'm not running into that in a lot of mansions.
I'm going to try and write a script that can search for those cases in a mansion, identify the room they appear in, and perhaps even move the levers up. It's an option we can offer those designers who have to deal with it. Mostly, I was curious to see how difficult it would be to write.
Re: List of cm's that work in MM1 HD - brell - 08-26-2011
All Freddy's mansions in category 3 are fixed. No other cm's in c 3 or 4 are.
I agree with you. We are only testing the cm playability in the HD. Not Jack-stucks or anything like that.