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Beta 4: The caves and the castle - VernJensen - 06-25-2010
Post here for comments regarding the Custom Mansion The Caves and the Castle.
Re: Beta 4: The caves and the castle - brell - 06-26-2010
Hi. I will be away starting tomorrow until around the 20. of July or even a bit longer. I will not be able to respond to testers until after that time.
I will remove the
pushuptrick from the final version.
Rob and Semi-Native: You have both checked the hard version. I am still pondering on whether I should add some treasure or a saving point somewhere closer to the beginning. Do you have an opinion on that?
Re: Beta 4: The caves and the castle - Semi-Native - 06-26-2010
How about both?
The beginning part is extremely challenging. You want people to keep playing and not get too discouraged, so I think another Save point is definitely needed, and more treasure or shields would help also.
Re: Beta 4: The caves and the castle - RobSeegel - 06-27-2010
How about adding up to three more shields (behind some of the locked doors), plus maybe one in that underground area in the lead up to the castle.
I haven't stopped to count the treasure yet, but I think you might consider having at least 2000-3000 around leading up the save point. Enough for at least two more Jacks. You could replace some of those silver coins behind doors with gold. For Hard mansions I feel like silver is best used for mostly ornamental or functional purposes (dark rooms).
I think that getting to that first save point is pretty crucial or a player. It gives them a toehold into the mansion, and an obvious mark of progress. I'm not saying that you should give it away... but it is pretty rough to get to.
Re: Beta 4: The caves and the castle - hawaii - 07-03-2010
HARD
12080 - I can't tell you how many lives Jack lost in this room. This is truly wicked. If I were not beta testing and using
extra livesI would have packed this game in. At least make the jump from the lowest moving brick to above the green door easier!!!
11479 - If Jack dies & kills the troll, he then reappears in the spot in the pic below, the Medusa comes at him while he's waiting for the disappearing ledge, Jack doesn't stand a chance, to me this is a cheap death.
Re: Beta 4: The caves and the castle - hawaii - 07-03-2010
HARD
11278 - see pic. to get to where Jack is standing he died a couple of times. It would be better if the floor was flat so that he could walk to the edge instead of blindly jumping due to the steps.
Same room, 3 things, see 2nd pic.
1) There is no clue that there is something hidden in this room ie: the dropping brick above the short ladder. If someone did not want to p/up the gold coins they would never know. Shouldn't there be music or stars or something?
2) If Jack dies he always appears in the air. Mind you, he can drop down onto one of the moving bricks, but he can also die doing that. hmmm.
3) What is the point of that dropping brick over the ladder? If Jack uses it to grab that silver coin, he falls to his death!
SEEMS TO ME THAT THIS MANSION HAS TO BE PLAYED WITH THE MLB OPEN SO THE PLAYER KNOWS WHAT TO DO!
Re: Beta 4: The caves and the castle - hawaii - 07-03-2010
HARD
11078 - see pic. Jack entered this room thru the upper blue door, it was black & he got the lantern. UNFORTUNATELY, he landed where you see him & he CAN'T GET OUT unless he dies. The blue bat brick is in the room below.
10679 - What is the point of the blue bat brick taking Jack to the ledge above the spider? He can't get down without dying!
He took the red door on the right from the room below. see pic
After he dies, if he leaves the room & returns the bat brick is gone. hmmm. I guess he has to go down & try the other red door.
Re: Beta 4: The caves and the castle - hawaii - 07-03-2010
HARD
10478 - If Jack dies in this room, the 2 vertical moving bricks (against the wall) stop moving when he reappears, making it impossible to pick up the gold coin at the top left of the room.
10479 - When got killed by the troll, he reappears in the room below, floating in the air over the vertical moving brick. hmmm?
10279 - Ok, so how does Jack get down without trying to use the pole & have to go thru that nasty disappearing brick thing in the room below so that he can continue. see pic
I TOOK THE PIC BEFORE PULLING THE LEVER TO CHANGE THE BRICK TO INVISIBLE, BUT THE QUESTION STILL STANDS.
I think there use to be a small brick before so he had the option to land on the same level.
10280 - This is a SUICIDE ROOM. There definitely should be a save before starting it. I mean, so many trolls, hidden from view.....this is nasty, real nasty!!!
10085 - When Jack died by the snake on the main level, he reappeared in the middle of the closed grey door on the left.
Re: Beta 4: The caves and the castle - hawaii - 07-03-2010
HARD
If Jack misses the secret ladders going down in room 11081, he misses an entire HUGE area, which exits way on the top right in room 10284. IF HE DOES NOT MISS IT, THEN HE MISSES THE ENTIRE LEFT TOP SIDE. HMMM
Now, if he does miss it & goes thru the entire left side to the top, to the 1st save in room 10080 & proceeds to the right and finds the missed section exit in room 10284, he can't go down to finish it because the grey doors are closed.
So he has to BACK TRACK all the way down on the left side to get this section finished. PERSONALLY, THERE SHOULD BE SOME SORT OF SHORT CUT, AS THIS MANSION IS WAY TO HARD TO INSIST ON ALL THIS BACK TRACKING. Even if it weren't this hard, the back tracking is such a HUGE bore, since the area of back tracking is so long.
*** NOTE ***
I just finished the back tracking & found out that Jack cannot get to the top room 10284 this way!!!
YET, when Jack tried to enter room 10284 from the top area, he pulled the levers but the grey door in this room did NOT open to allow him to go thru it. So I assumed he had to back track to the bottom grey area, only to find out he can't enter thru that way.
The lever opened the grey doors on the top level (right side), but not in room 10284.
The sign says if the grey doors don't open then you have a long walk back. This is very confusing to say the least!
10484 - Either make an exit to the room above or make it easier for Jack to get off that bat mobiel to back track for the 3rd time.
Re: Beta 4: The caves and the castle - hawaii - 07-03-2010
HARD
10479 - The bat bricks are hidden & should be visible, as Jack falls to his death because of the one that is missing.
11284 - THERE IS SOMETHING SO WRONG IN THIS ROOM!
The moving brick goes horizontal, flush with the floor & with 2 trolls walking on the floor it is IMPOSSIBLE not to get killed TWICE! I know, you will say that Jack should jump on the brick near the lever, but the trolls are way to fast! Jack has to spend so much time in this room waiting for the moving brick to come back, over and over and over again.
And if he wants to collect the hidden coins up top, he has to come back down again to the floor level and repeat the process. YUK!
11084 - This is NOT right. The lava rock hides missing flooring. If Jack moves to the right of the ladder, he falls.
If he jumps to the left onto the disappearing brick and lands on an actual brick, then walks to the left, he falls.
These gaps in the flooring should NOT be hidden.
10884 - Pls check this room. Jack pulls the lever, but the brick with the snake did not move for me. So the bat brick way under it could not take Jack up to the next room.
10484 - Either make an exit to the room above or make it easier for Jack to get off that bat mobiel to back track for the 3rd time.